BIGFOOT'S BLOG
Early July, 2012 Edition
DISTORTION OF THE TRUTH:
Is BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS a Reliable Source?
The old Bigfoot-related web site, Bigfoot Encountershas been for years a very useful and rather extensive resource of historical materials on the Bigfoot/Sasquatch phenomenon. It is run quite diligently by one whose initials are "B.S.", and purports to be some kind of ARCHIVE and annals of Bigfooting. It is indeed a rather vast collection of articles and information, much of it otherwise lost to time and age. Much of it, though, is copyrighted material, appropriated to the site and incorporated into pages bearing the BFE logo and style, which also will not allow copying and pasting for citation and quoting. "Fair Use" is claimed, but really does not apply to the full-scale appropriation of material owned by others. Occasional use as such is generally tolerated on the internet for historical purposes, but to found a whole web site on it is a rather blatant mis-use of the Fair Use doctrine. The only thing that really lets this slip by is that the site is non-commercial (this will change when the proprietor's book comes out, however, sometime this year, supposedly).
What the site DOES do, beyond mostly nobly preserving this useful information, is to FURTHER THE AGENDA of Ms. B.S. It generally does so subtly, but often glaringly, as in the case with her manipulation and alteration of an article about long-time Bigfoot researcher, Larry Lund. It actually adds DEFAMATORY statements INTO the transcribed article. This is not only a form of misinformation and distortion, it is (in my opinion, though I am no lawyer) a form of libel. Her web site, ostensibly some kind of "archive," is shot through with these kind of things, manipulations, alterations, additions, and mythifications along the lines of her own ideology and belief system. The question arises, How do we know what is real, and what has been manipulated. Is this a form of "hoaxing"? What is her agenda? Case in point, especially: The (Supposed) Bluff Creek Bigfoot Massacre. Primary ideology: Bigfoot is Human. They killed a family of them in Bluff Creek, and hence John Green and the others, in the eyes of BFE, are "murderers." I have caught outright fabrications inserted into her Bluff Creek timeline. A real shame, it is, that such a great collection of materials can be brought into question by such machinations. Here follow a few examples. Stick around for the rest of the Lund article issue, the original article of which may be found by clicking the image above.
For background, read this blog's MINI-INTERVIEW WITH LARRY LUND, from last year, for a taste of the kind of cool guy he is.
If you are already aware of these preceding issues, skip down to see the alterations that Bigfoot Encounters has made to a publicly published newspaper article, with the obvious sole intent to disparage and damage the reputation of a long-time fellow Bigfoot researcher.
If you know of any other instances of such memory-hole alterations of the facts on BFE, do let me know so they may be posted here.
A listing in the California Sightings section used to mention Roger Patterson being in Bluff Creek over the Labor Day weekend, 1967, such trip never being substantiated with proof. I asked B.S. repeatedly to come forth with proof of this supposedly "historical" assertion, but she would not. It is normally understood that Patterson and Bob Gimlin were in the Mt. St. Helens area at that time searching for Sasquatch, not in California. Checking today I notice that the listing has now been changed to: "Summer, 1967 Roger Patterson poured a plaster of paris cast of a left and right 9" child's track and shows Al Hodgson the tracks while he was up there."There is really only one reason that someone who believes the Patterson-Gimlin Film is real would want to place Patterson there earlier than mid-late October of that year, and that is to support the MK Davis so-called "Massacre Theory." Ms. B.S. is an advocate of this theory.
HOW MANY OTHER "SUBTLE" CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE "HISTORICAL RECORD" FOUND ON BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS?
Go see: http://www.bigfootencounters.com/stories/btitmus.htm
The REAL person who is shown in those photos is the pilot who flew Green, Moffit and Dahinden along with the dog down from Canada. This person has recently surfaced and emphatically declared that it was HE who is shown in those photos. His name? Keith Chiazzari. On January 17th of 2012 he posted this as a comment on this blog:
Read BILL MILLER'S refutation of the Titmus-at-the-Massacre Theory,
HERE, in two parts, PDF documents:
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On a sunny afternoon in August, I was on my way to an appointment and chanced to coast up Northeast 54th Avenue.
My eye was drawn to the blue-and-white "Future Neighborhood Park" placard in a field. Then I noticed the towering apelike creature prowling across the veggie patch.
No mistake: It was Sasquatch.
Naturally, I parked and went over to say hi. Bigfoot didn't say much, though, because he was made of thick plywood. He towered over me but didn't make a threatening move. Stuck to his back was a weathered business card that said "Larry Lund, the Sasquatch Sleuth." The phone number wasn't legible.
There was nobody home at the house alongside the little empty garden. I snapped a couple of pictures and went on my way. It was your typical chance meeting between reporter and myth, and I frankly forgot all about it.
Until, that is, I started hearing that Sasquatch had prowled right off the landscape. Parks planner Stephen Duh said Sasquatch went away along with the renter who'd been there since long before Parks and Recreation bought the land.
Man and myth were evicted because Kings Pond Park is one of those lucky parcels that'll change from open field to neighborhood playground thanks to the metro parks ballot measure that passed this year. With construction set for for 2007 and planning soon to get under way, Duh said, the city wants the house gone. That'll probably happen this winter.
But here's where things started getting weird. I checked The Columbian's electronic archive for clues about a Sasquatch Sleuth named Larry Lund, and found more than I'd bargained for.
[Editorial comments in caps or italics, and the brief introduction below are added by Larry Lund. The BOLD parts are what B.S. added to the article.]
READ From this point on the actual Newspaper Article which I am sending also.
See how Ms. B.S Re-Wrote it to fit her evil agenda.
Then continue below…..
Lund had indeed appeared as a Bigfoot investigator on television and before many groups and conferences focused on the elusive creature. Even more surprising to me was that Lund had died in August 2000, at age 66.
Yet neighbors told me the fellow who'd vanished with his Sasquatch was definitely Larry Lund. Former next-door neighbor Jeanette Dunkin sang Lund's praises as the friendliest, nicest guy you'd ever want to meet NOW READ THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE AND THEN READ WHAT THE ARTICLE ACTUALLY SAID; but was not noted for truth-telling and added that he'd had a hard time finding a new place to take his humongous collection of Bigfoot materials and paraphernalia; some say a collection of junk and memories important only to him.
THIS WAS ADDED BY B.S. BEFORE PUTTING ON HER WEB SITE;
All while being dead? Impressive. And a little creepy. Mindful of the fact that Sasquatch is generally thought to have been debunked a few years back and that nary a Lund has been mentioned in our newspaper since I began to ponder this ghostly BS PUTS LUND FIGURE HERE BUT THE NEWSPAPER HAS BIGFOOT Lund figure following ghostly Bigfoot off into the ghostly afterworld.
Larry lives!
NO PHOTO OF JAY LENO AND I WAS IN THE REAL NEWSPAPER ARTICLE AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE; IT RAN A PHOTO OF ME AND THE BIGFOOT CUTOUT THAT ROB BUTTLER MADE FOR ME.
(Photo shows Lund on the left with Jay Leno on the "Tonight Show; his only real claim to fame.")
MY ONLY CLAIM TO FAME?.....I’VE DONE NOTHING ELSE IN 40 YEARS?....SHAME ON ME
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Well, the answer is obvious enough: The gentleman who died in 2000 was a different Larry Lund. He was owner of the Igloo restaurant on East Evergreen Boulevard from 1991 until his death. He lived in Washougal.
Most amazingly, Lund said he's still on the fence about the real Sasquatch. He's spent close to 40 years investigating claims and studying evidence, much of which doesn't impress him. THE NEWS PAPER ARTICLE ENDS IT”S SENTENCE HERE…..B.S. GOES ON TO SAY….. A friend of his, Rene Dahinden claims Lund never really studied anything and his investigations were not scientific. "Lund," said Dahinden, "was really a nice guy but not very bright."
IT’S B.S. THAT’S NOT VERY BRIGHT…EVERYONE KNOWS THE TRUTHS HERE
"We have Bigfoot sightings that go back as far as 1811," he said. "There are Indian legends and all kinds of sightings from before Ray Wallace's time."
So the mystery endures. For some, anyway. But for now let's file away the case of the Disappearing Sasquatch Man of Kings Pond Park. [END OF ARTICLE]
LARRY LUND Comments:
So….What Can You Believe of what you read in Ms. B.S’s Bigfoot Encounters? I would say not very much. When she likes you…you get nothing but praise. But if you don’t follow her guidelines and believe in the things she puts forward…such as the ridiculous “Bigfoot Massacre At Bluff Creek” …you are turned on in a heartbeat. The rest is all up to you.
From: xxxxxxx@aol.comTo: scott hewitt@columbian.com
BCC: xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 26/06/2012 11:27:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: The article about Larry Lund that you allegedly wrote
Mr. Hewitt,
I am a Sasquatch Researcher/Investigator who in the past has caught this site posting articles and papers from other writers whereas the article(s) have been altered from their original form without the reader or author being any the wiser. I believe that this may be the case with an article that you had written. I am embedding the article found on "Bigfoot Encounters" that seems to be your article, but with somewhat slanderous variations added to it that do not seem to appear in the newspaper article you wrote that I have also attached to this email.
Would you please be so kind as to look the Internet version found on Bigfoot Encounters and tell me whether you actually said the things shown below in red-lettering or has this presentation of your article been altered without your knowledge?
Sincerely,
Bill Miller
Bigfoot Field Research
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/larrylund.htm
****The writers reply to my inquiry.
--Bill****
Scott Hewitt covers neighborhood news and issues. Contact him at 360-759-8017 or scott.hewitt@columbian.com.
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Caption: Larry Lund stands near his 7-foot-3 Sasquatch cutout at his Hazel Dell home.
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Here is the copyright statement I post on every blog I write:
"This blog is copyright and all that jazz, save for occasional small elements borrowed for "research" and information or satirical purposes only, 2003-2012, Bigfoot Books and Steven Streufert. Borrowings for non-commercial purposes will be tolerated without the revenge of Angry Bigfoot, if notification, credit, citation and a kindly web-link are given, preferably after contacting us and saying, Hello, like a normal person would before taking a cup of salt. No serious rip-offs of our material for vulgar commercial gain will be tolerated without major BF stomping action coming down on you, hu-man."
That all being said, I do use photos under what I consider "Fair Use" myself. I do this when something is obviously under public domain or has important historical or research-related value. If someone wishes to claim ownership and exclude the use of their images I will always honor such requests and remove the item in question. This is done out of respect, not for fear of prosecution. When pushed, there is no real reason to sue a blogger. Most of them are not making money, and are only using materials as a form of hobbyist enthusiasm. Fair use should be encouraged when it is done in the name of spreading knowledge and scholarship, without blatant commercial exploitation. If money is being made, some consideration should be made to the work and rights of the originator. If this is not honored, then how will intellectuals and artists make a living? Consider that. If you built a stone wall for someone's garden you would want to be paid for it, right? Someone who spends their time writing should be compensated, too, if they want to be, and if their work has value.
Never forget: Cryptomundo was sued over the publication of the Kentucky "pancake" video, where there was a clear violation of someone's (Erickson) commercial interest in the "product." Some $20,000.00 was paid for that video, and the online publication of it would have seriously damaged that investment. In regard to the PGF, it is obvious that "Fair Use" of it is totally rampant, but access to full-quality versions of it is still restricted. That is, after all, Patricia Patterson's main source of a living now. Commercial users must pay $10,000.00 to use it.
Here, for an example, is an interesting connundrum. Bigfoot Encounters and its owner in her newsletter publish the following statement:
"PLEASE DO NOT POST OR FORWARD THIS NEWSLETTER.
© Bigfoot Encounters dot com, readers and contributors can reach me here… bxxxxsxxxx@xxxxxx.com
All Rights Reserved, Reprints are under the Fair Use Doctrine of International Copyright Law"
Now, how does it make sense to at once use others' work and declare "Fair Use Doctrine," but then to also state "All Rights Reserved" in regard to one's own production and works? This is a contradiction of extreme opacity.
(The above does not constitute legal advice, nor is the author a professional lawyer in any way, shape or form.)
A Brief Excerpt from our Interview with AL HODGSON:
AL HODGSON: Yeaaahh. I don’t even mess with some of that. Bobbie Short, she got angry with me, and I said that’s enough, let’s forget it. I don’t even bother with that.
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Bobbie Short seems to like you enough to quote you in her conspiracy theory stuff.
AL HODGSON: [Laughs out Loud] Ah. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Al Hodgson declared that Bob Titmus was there, no doubt about it!
AL HODGSON: I wished I hadn’t-a said that, but I was wrong!
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Did they kind of trick you? Like, they just showed you a picture and, "who does that look like?"
AL HODGSON: Oh yeah. And I thought…. They asked me who was in that print, and I said, well, it might be, I thought, it might be Titmus. Because I thought, John, maybe it was Titmus who came down with him. But it was not Titmus. It was Rene Dahinden who came down with him. But I was... I didn’t remember that.
BIGFOOT BOOKS: And from what you can remember, Rene Dahinden and Bob Titmus, they didn’t like each other that much?
AL HODGSON: No, no.
BIGFOOT BOOKS: They probably wouldn’t have wanted to travel down together…
AL HODGSON: And before it was over Rene and John weren’t getting along either. And what happened there?
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Towards the end more? Later on?
AL HODGSON: Yeah. But Rene, he, like I said, as far as I was concerned, he was flying about that high off of the ground [gestures up high] anyway. His favorite saying was that I remember was “People are seeing bloody holes in the ground!”
BIGFOOT BOOKS: You mean Rene Dahinden?
AL HODGSON: Yeah, everything was bloody to him. He was a Swiss. He was something else.
BIGFOOT BOOKS: He had that great thing he said, “People ask for physical evidence of Bigfoot. What if I take one of these plaster casts of the footprint tracks and hit you over the head with it. Would that be physical enough for you???”
AL HODGSON: [Laughs all around.] Oh yeah.
http://bigfootbooksblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/interview-with-al-hodgson-pillar-of.html
Thanks to Larry Lund, Bill Miller, and a couple of others I'll keep anonymous for help on backgrounding this article.
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ANGRY BIGFOOT SPEAKS!
Early July, 2012 Edition
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| EVIDENCE EXHIBIT ONE: The Original Article on Larry Lund, from THE COLUMBIAN, October 26, 2005 CLICK TO ENLARGE AND READ |
Is BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS a Reliable Source?
The old Bigfoot-related web site, Bigfoot Encountershas been for years a very useful and rather extensive resource of historical materials on the Bigfoot/Sasquatch phenomenon. It is run quite diligently by one whose initials are "B.S.", and purports to be some kind of ARCHIVE and annals of Bigfooting. It is indeed a rather vast collection of articles and information, much of it otherwise lost to time and age. Much of it, though, is copyrighted material, appropriated to the site and incorporated into pages bearing the BFE logo and style, which also will not allow copying and pasting for citation and quoting. "Fair Use" is claimed, but really does not apply to the full-scale appropriation of material owned by others. Occasional use as such is generally tolerated on the internet for historical purposes, but to found a whole web site on it is a rather blatant mis-use of the Fair Use doctrine. The only thing that really lets this slip by is that the site is non-commercial (this will change when the proprietor's book comes out, however, sometime this year, supposedly).
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| B.S., in the one common photo of her available, as no one seems to have saved the beach bunny one she used to use on the old IVBC. |
For background, read this blog's MINI-INTERVIEW WITH LARRY LUND, from last year, for a taste of the kind of cool guy he is.
If you are already aware of these preceding issues, skip down to see the alterations that Bigfoot Encounters has made to a publicly published newspaper article, with the obvious sole intent to disparage and damage the reputation of a long-time fellow Bigfoot researcher.
If you know of any other instances of such memory-hole alterations of the facts on BFE, do let me know so they may be posted here.
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| The image of Patterson with "Juvenile Tracks" that B.S. claimed was taken around the time of the "Labor Day Trip" to Bluff Creek, showing the tracks he supposedly got at that time. |
A listing in the California Sightings section used to mention Roger Patterson being in Bluff Creek over the Labor Day weekend, 1967, such trip never being substantiated with proof. I asked B.S. repeatedly to come forth with proof of this supposedly "historical" assertion, but she would not. It is normally understood that Patterson and Bob Gimlin were in the Mt. St. Helens area at that time searching for Sasquatch, not in California. Checking today I notice that the listing has now been changed to: "Summer, 1967 Roger Patterson poured a plaster of paris cast of a left and right 9" child's track and shows Al Hodgson the tracks while he was up there."There is really only one reason that someone who believes the Patterson-Gimlin Film is real would want to place Patterson there earlier than mid-late October of that year, and that is to support the MK Davis so-called "Massacre Theory." Ms. B.S. is an advocate of this theory.
HOW MANY OTHER "SUBTLE" CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE "HISTORICAL RECORD" FOUND ON BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS?
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Still, to this very day, despite all the refutation of the photos, the "Massacre," and of any visit by Bob Titmus to the PGF site until days AFTER the filming, the Bigfoot Encounters page manipulating John Green's Obituary for Bob Titmus still bears the MK Davis Massacre-related stills supposedly showing Titmus on the site at the time of filming, supposedly sometime in August or September, with the rifle in his hands and the tracking dog there. This is not only a dishonor to Titmus and Green, it is a blatant manipulation of the truth. Even in the search result summary, I'd assume from some kind of metatag or keyword in the page code, she drops this little bit of slurring insult: "Bob Titmus obituary, John Green exposed as a liar himself re: the Patterson film...". NICE.. and of course, the article does nothing to prove this accusatory hearsay. B.S. substantiates this by saying she has certain papers, that of course only SHE has; so, I guess, whenever B.S. wants to insult someone all she has to do is cite her SECRET personal collection. Or maybe she'll cite one of the false lies she's inserted into the "archives" on her web site? |
| Chiazzari and Green. NOT TITMUS. |
The REAL person who is shown in those photos is the pilot who flew Green, Moffit and Dahinden along with the dog down from Canada. This person has recently surfaced and emphatically declared that it was HE who is shown in those photos. His name? Keith Chiazzari. On January 17th of 2012 he posted this as a comment on this blog:
"I was the pilot of the Cessna 185 that flew John Green, Rene Dahinden and Dale Moffit to Bluff Creek on the 28th August 1967 returning to Chilliwack on the 31st and still have my pilot's logbook to prove it. The photo does not show Bob Titmus but me aged 24. I have posted some photos on other Bigfoot websites. The theory that a massacre took place is laughable!"
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| Chiazzari and Moffit. NOT TITMUS |
HERE, in two parts, PDF documents:
http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/MassacreArticlePDFJan27-B-11.pdf
http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/MassacreArticlePDFJan27-B-21.pdf
http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/MassacreArticlePDFJan27-B-21.pdf
Read the CRYPTOMUNDO article on this, The Massacre Files: The Blue Creek Mountain Pilot
HERE:http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bluecreekmtn/Read the previous CRYPTOMUNDO article, Bigfooters Speak Out About Biased Enhancements Of Titmus Tributes
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In one article that has since been deleted after I published an expose on parts of it, B.S. mentioned "splicing" done to the PGF to hide a certain "something" at the start. It was a very lengthy article that never came out and said directly why the splicing was done, but by implication and innuendo it was made more than clear. It included this image, to which I've added some titles. It reveals just about ALL you need to know about the beliefs of B.S. about what happened that day in Bluff Creek when the film was shot. It also explains her vehement hatred of John Green, Bob Titmus, and anyone allied with them... she thinks they are murderers.
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Here is the Bigfoot Encounters LARRY LUND ARTICLE web page altered version, with defamatory commentary added in by B.S. as if these statements were part of the original article. The commentaries added to the article below are from Larry Lund himself. The parts I've bolded in red are the lines that B.S. added. In no way may the BF Encounters article be construed as satire or humor, as it is in no way indicated, and the article is presented in a wholly straightforward way, as if this were the way it was published.
What Happened to Sasquatch Man of Kings Pond Park?
On a sunny afternoon in August, I was on my way to an appointment and chanced to coast up Northeast 54th Avenue.
My eye was drawn to the blue-and-white "Future Neighborhood Park" placard in a field. Then I noticed the towering apelike creature prowling across the veggie patch.
No mistake: It was Sasquatch.
Naturally, I parked and went over to say hi. Bigfoot didn't say much, though, because he was made of thick plywood. He towered over me but didn't make a threatening move. Stuck to his back was a weathered business card that said "Larry Lund, the Sasquatch Sleuth." The phone number wasn't legible.
There was nobody home at the house alongside the little empty garden. I snapped a couple of pictures and went on my way. It was your typical chance meeting between reporter and myth, and I frankly forgot all about it.
Until, that is, I started hearing that Sasquatch had prowled right off the landscape. Parks planner Stephen Duh said Sasquatch went away along with the renter who'd been there since long before Parks and Recreation bought the land.
Man and myth were evicted because Kings Pond Park is one of those lucky parcels that'll change from open field to neighborhood playground thanks to the metro parks ballot measure that passed this year. With construction set for for 2007 and planning soon to get under way, Duh said, the city wants the house gone. That'll probably happen this winter.
But here's where things started getting weird. I checked The Columbian's electronic archive for clues about a Sasquatch Sleuth named Larry Lund, and found more than I'd bargained for.
[Editorial comments in caps or italics, and the brief introduction below are added by Larry Lund. The BOLD parts are what B.S. added to the article.]
READ From this point on the actual Newspaper Article which I am sending also.
See how Ms. B.S Re-Wrote it to fit her evil agenda.
Then continue below…..
Lund had indeed appeared as a Bigfoot investigator on television and before many groups and conferences focused on the elusive creature. Even more surprising to me was that Lund had died in August 2000, at age 66.
Yet neighbors told me the fellow who'd vanished with his Sasquatch was definitely Larry Lund. Former next-door neighbor Jeanette Dunkin sang Lund's praises as the friendliest, nicest guy you'd ever want to meet NOW READ THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE AND THEN READ WHAT THE ARTICLE ACTUALLY SAID; but was not noted for truth-telling and added that he'd had a hard time finding a new place to take his humongous collection of Bigfoot materials and paraphernalia; some say a collection of junk and memories important only to him.
THIS WAS ADDED BY B.S. BEFORE PUTTING ON HER WEB SITE;
All while being dead? Impressive. And a little creepy. Mindful of the fact that Sasquatch is generally thought to have been debunked a few years back and that nary a Lund has been mentioned in our newspaper since I began to ponder this ghostly BS PUTS LUND FIGURE HERE BUT THE NEWSPAPER HAS BIGFOOT Lund figure following ghostly Bigfoot off into the ghostly afterworld.
Larry lives!
NO PHOTO OF JAY LENO AND I WAS IN THE REAL NEWSPAPER ARTICLE AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE; IT RAN A PHOTO OF ME AND THE BIGFOOT CUTOUT THAT ROB BUTTLER MADE FOR ME.
(Photo shows Lund on the left with Jay Leno on the "Tonight Show; his only real claim to fame.")
MY ONLY CLAIM TO FAME?.....I’VE DONE NOTHING ELSE IN 40 YEARS?....SHAME ON ME
Well, the answer is obvious enough: The gentleman who died in 2000 was a different Larry Lund. He was owner of the Igloo restaurant on East Evergreen Boulevard from 1991 until his death. He lived in Washougal.
Meanwhile, the Sasquatch Sleuth, alive and kicking at age 58, has moved to Stockford Village that's northwest Hazel Dell, you might say, tucked between Sacajawea Elementary School and Northeast 99th Street.
OK, maybe it's not that creepy a story. Just a simple misunderstanding. But since it's Halloween, I don't mind telling you I found the whole thing a tiny bit chilling. (Guess I must be starved for chills.)
This Larry Lund said he once was used to being mistaken for the other Larry Lund who was a good friend of his brother's although it hasn't happened in a while. He was able to brush up on reassuring people that he's still alive by reassuring me.
He said he hated to leave his green spread in East Minnehaha after 15 years, and that his plywood Sasquatch now lives in his new backyard alas, no longer on public view.
OK, maybe it's not that creepy a story. Just a simple misunderstanding. But since it's Halloween, I don't mind telling you I found the whole thing a tiny bit chilling. (Guess I must be starved for chills.)
This Larry Lund said he once was used to being mistaken for the other Larry Lund who was a good friend of his brother's although it hasn't happened in a while. He was able to brush up on reassuring people that he's still alive by reassuring me.
He said he hated to leave his green spread in East Minnehaha after 15 years, and that his plywood Sasquatch now lives in his new backyard alas, no longer on public view.
Most amazingly, Lund said he's still on the fence about the real Sasquatch. He's spent close to 40 years investigating claims and studying evidence, much of which doesn't impress him. THE NEWS PAPER ARTICLE ENDS IT”S SENTENCE HERE…..B.S. GOES ON TO SAY….. A friend of his, Rene Dahinden claims Lund never really studied anything and his investigations were not scientific. "Lund," said Dahinden, "was really a nice guy but not very bright."
IT’S B.S. THAT’S NOT VERY BRIGHT…EVERYONE KNOWS THE TRUTHS HERE
"We have Bigfoot sightings that go back as far as 1811," he said. "There are Indian legends and all kinds of sightings from before Ray Wallace's time."
So the mystery endures. For some, anyway. But for now let's file away the case of the Disappearing Sasquatch Man of Kings Pond Park. [END OF ARTICLE]
LARRY LUND Comments:
So….What Can You Believe of what you read in Ms. B.S’s Bigfoot Encounters? I would say not very much. When she likes you…you get nothing but praise. But if you don’t follow her guidelines and believe in the things she puts forward…such as the ridiculous “Bigfoot Massacre At Bluff Creek” …you are turned on in a heartbeat. The rest is all up to you.
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| Screen Capture of: http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/larrylund.htm Right Click to ENLARGE, then hit "control, +" a couple of times. |
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Canadian Bigfoot/Sasquatch investigator, BILL MILLER, wrote the following letter to the journalist (Scott Hewitt) who wrote the original article. The journalist's response follows. This is published with Miller's permission. |
| Miller, as seen in the film, BIGFOOT'S REFLECTION |
BCC: xxxxxxxxx
Sent: 26/06/2012 11:27:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: The article about Larry Lund that you allegedly wrote
Mr. Hewitt,
I am a Sasquatch Researcher/Investigator who in the past has caught this site posting articles and papers from other writers whereas the article(s) have been altered from their original form without the reader or author being any the wiser. I believe that this may be the case with an article that you had written. I am embedding the article found on "Bigfoot Encounters" that seems to be your article, but with somewhat slanderous variations added to it that do not seem to appear in the newspaper article you wrote that I have also attached to this email.
Would you please be so kind as to look the Internet version found on Bigfoot Encounters and tell me whether you actually said the things shown below in red-lettering or has this presentation of your article been altered without your knowledge?
Sincerely,
Bill Miller
Bigfoot Field Research
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/larrylund.htm
****The writers reply to my inquiry.
--Bill****
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| Lund at Bigfoot Books, with Nita and Rip Lyttle |
From: Scott Hewitt@columbian.com
To: XXXXXX@aol.com
Sent: 27/06/2012 8:40:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: Re: The article about Larry Lund that you allegedly wrote
Hi,
You are right, those items in red were definitely not part of my reporting and writing. Weird.
Here is my exact original text, pulled from our archive.
[ED. NOTE, red highlights had to be removed for this blog. See Larry Lund's commentary above to view the BFE additions.]
Reporter's Notebook: What happened to Sasquatch Man of Kings Pond Park?
SCOTT HEWITT Columbian staff writer
To: XXXXXX@aol.com
Sent: 27/06/2012 8:40:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: Re: The article about Larry Lund that you allegedly wrote
Hi,
You are right, those items in red were definitely not part of my reporting and writing. Weird.
Here is my exact original text, pulled from our archive.
[ED. NOTE, red highlights had to be removed for this blog. See Larry Lund's commentary above to view the BFE additions.]
Reporter's Notebook: What happened to Sasquatch Man of Kings Pond Park?
SCOTT HEWITT Columbian staff writer
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| Hewitt |
Publication Date: October 26, 2005 Page: 3 Section: Neighbors
On a sunny afternoon in August, I was on my way to an appointment and chanced to coast up Northeast 54th Avenue.
My eye was drawn to the blue-and-white "Future Neighborhood Park" placard in a field. Then I noticed the towering apelike creature prowling across the veggie patch.
No mistake: It was Sasquatch.
Naturally, I parked and went over to say hi. Bigfoot didn't say much, though, because he was made of thick plywood. He towered over me but didn't make a threatening move. Stuck to his back was a weathered business card that said "Larry Lund, the Sasquatch Sleuth." The phone number wasn't legible.
There was nobody home at the house alongside the little empty garden. I snapped a couple of pictures and went on my way. It was your typical chance meeting between reporter and myth, and I frankly forgot all about it.
Until, that is, I started hearing that Sasquatch had prowled right off the landscape. Parks planner Stephen Duh said Sasquatch went away along with the renter who'd been there since long before Parks and Recreation bought the land.
Man and myth were evicted because Kings Pond Park is one of those lucky parcels that'll change from open field to neighborhood playground thanks to the metro parks ballot measure that passed this year. With construction set for for 2007 and planning soon to get under way, Duh said, the city wants the house gone. That'll probably happen this winter.
But here's where things started getting weird. I checked The Columbian's electronic archive for clues about a Sasquatch Sleuth named Larry Lund, and found more than I'd bargained for.
Lund was indeed famous as a Bigfoot investigator and expert who'd appeared on television and before many groups and conferences focused on the elusive creature.
Even more surprising to me was that Lund had died in August 2000, at age 66.
Yet neighbors told me the fellow who'd vanished with his Sasquatch was definitely Larry Lund. Former next-door neighbor Jeanette Dunkin sang Lund's praises as the friendliest, nicest guy you'd ever want to meet and added that he'd had a hard time finding a new place to take his humongous collection of Bigfoot materials and paraphernalia.
All while being dead? Impressive. And a little creepy. Mindful of the fact that Sasquatch is generally thought to have been debunked a few years back and that nary a Lund has been mentioned in our newspaper since I began to ponder this ghostly Lund figure following ghostly Bigfoot off into the ghostly afterworld.
Larry lives!
Well, the answer is obvious enough: The gentleman who died in 2000 was a different Larry Lund. He was owner of the Igloo restaurant on East Evergreen Boulevard from 1991 until his death. He lived in Washougal.
Meanwhile, the Sasquatch Sleuth, alive and kicking at age 58, has moved to Stockford Village that's northwest Hazel Dell, you might say, tucked between Sacajawea Elementary School and Northeast 99th Street.
OK, maybe it's not that creepy a story. Just a simple misunderstanding. But since it's Halloween, I don't mind telling you I found the whole thing a tiny bit chilling. (Guess I must be starved for chills.)
This Larry Lund said he once was used to being mistaken for the other Larry Lund who was a good friend of his brother's although it hasn't happened in a while. He was able to brush up on reassuring people that he's still alive by reassuring me.
He said he hated to leave his green spread in East Minnehaha after 15 years, and that his plywood Sasquatch now lives in his new backyard alas, no longer on public view.
Most amazingly, Lund said he's still on the fence about the real Sasquatch. He's spent close to 40 years investigating claims and studying evidence, much of which doesn't impress him.
But the fact that Ray Wallace of Seattle was called the fabricator of the whole thing after his 2002 death doesn't impress Lund either.
"We have Bigfoot sightings that go back as far as 1811," he said. "There are Indian legends and all kinds of sightings from before Ray Wallace's time."
So the mystery endures. For some, anyway. But for now let's file away the case of the Disappearing Sasquatch Man of Kings Pond Park.
Happy Halloween!
On a sunny afternoon in August, I was on my way to an appointment and chanced to coast up Northeast 54th Avenue.
My eye was drawn to the blue-and-white "Future Neighborhood Park" placard in a field. Then I noticed the towering apelike creature prowling across the veggie patch.
No mistake: It was Sasquatch.
Naturally, I parked and went over to say hi. Bigfoot didn't say much, though, because he was made of thick plywood. He towered over me but didn't make a threatening move. Stuck to his back was a weathered business card that said "Larry Lund, the Sasquatch Sleuth." The phone number wasn't legible.
There was nobody home at the house alongside the little empty garden. I snapped a couple of pictures and went on my way. It was your typical chance meeting between reporter and myth, and I frankly forgot all about it.
Until, that is, I started hearing that Sasquatch had prowled right off the landscape. Parks planner Stephen Duh said Sasquatch went away along with the renter who'd been there since long before Parks and Recreation bought the land.
Man and myth were evicted because Kings Pond Park is one of those lucky parcels that'll change from open field to neighborhood playground thanks to the metro parks ballot measure that passed this year. With construction set for for 2007 and planning soon to get under way, Duh said, the city wants the house gone. That'll probably happen this winter.
But here's where things started getting weird. I checked The Columbian's electronic archive for clues about a Sasquatch Sleuth named Larry Lund, and found more than I'd bargained for.
Lund was indeed famous as a Bigfoot investigator and expert who'd appeared on television and before many groups and conferences focused on the elusive creature.
Even more surprising to me was that Lund had died in August 2000, at age 66.
Yet neighbors told me the fellow who'd vanished with his Sasquatch was definitely Larry Lund. Former next-door neighbor Jeanette Dunkin sang Lund's praises as the friendliest, nicest guy you'd ever want to meet and added that he'd had a hard time finding a new place to take his humongous collection of Bigfoot materials and paraphernalia.
All while being dead? Impressive. And a little creepy. Mindful of the fact that Sasquatch is generally thought to have been debunked a few years back and that nary a Lund has been mentioned in our newspaper since I began to ponder this ghostly Lund figure following ghostly Bigfoot off into the ghostly afterworld.
Larry lives!
Well, the answer is obvious enough: The gentleman who died in 2000 was a different Larry Lund. He was owner of the Igloo restaurant on East Evergreen Boulevard from 1991 until his death. He lived in Washougal.
Meanwhile, the Sasquatch Sleuth, alive and kicking at age 58, has moved to Stockford Village that's northwest Hazel Dell, you might say, tucked between Sacajawea Elementary School and Northeast 99th Street.
OK, maybe it's not that creepy a story. Just a simple misunderstanding. But since it's Halloween, I don't mind telling you I found the whole thing a tiny bit chilling. (Guess I must be starved for chills.)
This Larry Lund said he once was used to being mistaken for the other Larry Lund who was a good friend of his brother's although it hasn't happened in a while. He was able to brush up on reassuring people that he's still alive by reassuring me.
He said he hated to leave his green spread in East Minnehaha after 15 years, and that his plywood Sasquatch now lives in his new backyard alas, no longer on public view.
Most amazingly, Lund said he's still on the fence about the real Sasquatch. He's spent close to 40 years investigating claims and studying evidence, much of which doesn't impress him.
But the fact that Ray Wallace of Seattle was called the fabricator of the whole thing after his 2002 death doesn't impress Lund either.
"We have Bigfoot sightings that go back as far as 1811," he said. "There are Indian legends and all kinds of sightings from before Ray Wallace's time."
So the mystery endures. For some, anyway. But for now let's file away the case of the Disappearing Sasquatch Man of Kings Pond Park.
Happy Halloween!
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| Lund photo of himself at Bigfoot Cavern, near Cave Junction, OR |
Scott Hewitt covers neighborhood news and issues. Contact him at 360-759-8017 or scott.hewitt@columbian.com.
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When: 6 p.m. dinner and 7 p.m. meeting on the last Saturday of every month.
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Information: Visit www.international bigfootsociety.com.
Caption: Larry Lund stands near his 7-foot-3 Sasquatch cutout at his Hazel Dell home.
Photo Credit: TROY WAYRYNEN, The Columbian
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| This photo of a 1947 Bigfoot track found near Eureka, CA is used here under the FAIR USE DOCTRINE, for research and historical purposes only. |
I declare on this blog that my work is copyright. I have a right to do that, including my photos. I also declare that people may use them in reviews of my work and reports about my blogs, so long as they cite me as the source, and provide a courtesy link to the original blog post. This is only fair. Fair "use" and outright theft need to be distinguished. When a person publishes anything it is their own intellectual property. This is true of books and magazines and papers, as well as on blogs and web sites. It is not true of Facebook posts, so far as I can tell. Fair use for non-commercial purposes is generally tolerated, but it is a very gray legal area. I commercial use of someone else's property is against the law, and books have been brought out of circulation and destroyed for the use of photos and such; and also, it can be seen as a form of plagiarism without proper credit and citation. Use without citation is grounds for failure marks in academic papers, and is unethical in general. The whole idea, beyond mere matters of profit, is the ownership of one's work. In scholarly communities it is the credit, the notation of one's achievement, that is the most valuable asset a scholar can have. That being said, I don't think that what Bigfoot Evidence does, as an example, is a violation of copyright. They use excerpts now when there is a question, and to my observation always give credit and links back to originals. This is how it should be. In cases where the use is simply for "fun" and "personal use" there is usually no harm seen, as in a profile picture on Facebook.
Here is the copyright statement I post on every blog I write:
"This blog is copyright and all that jazz, save for occasional small elements borrowed for "research" and information or satirical purposes only, 2003-2012, Bigfoot Books and Steven Streufert. Borrowings for non-commercial purposes will be tolerated without the revenge of Angry Bigfoot, if notification, credit, citation and a kindly web-link are given, preferably after contacting us and saying, Hello, like a normal person would before taking a cup of salt. No serious rip-offs of our material for vulgar commercial gain will be tolerated without major BF stomping action coming down on you, hu-man."
That all being said, I do use photos under what I consider "Fair Use" myself. I do this when something is obviously under public domain or has important historical or research-related value. If someone wishes to claim ownership and exclude the use of their images I will always honor such requests and remove the item in question. This is done out of respect, not for fear of prosecution. When pushed, there is no real reason to sue a blogger. Most of them are not making money, and are only using materials as a form of hobbyist enthusiasm. Fair use should be encouraged when it is done in the name of spreading knowledge and scholarship, without blatant commercial exploitation. If money is being made, some consideration should be made to the work and rights of the originator. If this is not honored, then how will intellectuals and artists make a living? Consider that. If you built a stone wall for someone's garden you would want to be paid for it, right? Someone who spends their time writing should be compensated, too, if they want to be, and if their work has value.
Never forget: Cryptomundo was sued over the publication of the Kentucky "pancake" video, where there was a clear violation of someone's (Erickson) commercial interest in the "product." Some $20,000.00 was paid for that video, and the online publication of it would have seriously damaged that investment. In regard to the PGF, it is obvious that "Fair Use" of it is totally rampant, but access to full-quality versions of it is still restricted. That is, after all, Patricia Patterson's main source of a living now. Commercial users must pay $10,000.00 to use it.
Here, for an example, is an interesting connundrum. Bigfoot Encounters and its owner in her newsletter publish the following statement:
"PLEASE DO NOT POST OR FORWARD THIS NEWSLETTER.
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All Rights Reserved, Reprints are under the Fair Use Doctrine of International Copyright Law"
Now, how does it make sense to at once use others' work and declare "Fair Use Doctrine," but then to also state "All Rights Reserved" in regard to one's own production and works? This is a contradiction of extreme opacity.
(The above does not constitute legal advice, nor is the author a professional lawyer in any way, shape or form.)
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AND FINALLY... |
| Al Hogson with 1958 Track 2011, at Bigfoot Books |
AL HODGSON: Yeaaahh. I don’t even mess with some of that. Bobbie Short, she got angry with me, and I said that’s enough, let’s forget it. I don’t even bother with that.
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Bobbie Short seems to like you enough to quote you in her conspiracy theory stuff.
AL HODGSON: [Laughs out Loud] Ah. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Al Hodgson declared that Bob Titmus was there, no doubt about it!
AL HODGSON: I wished I hadn’t-a said that, but I was wrong!
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Did they kind of trick you? Like, they just showed you a picture and, "who does that look like?"
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| From the same trackway as Jerry Crew's cast. A first generation copy. |
BIGFOOT BOOKS: And from what you can remember, Rene Dahinden and Bob Titmus, they didn’t like each other that much?
AL HODGSON: No, no.
BIGFOOT BOOKS: They probably wouldn’t have wanted to travel down together…
AL HODGSON: And before it was over Rene and John weren’t getting along either. And what happened there?
BIGFOOT BOOKS: Towards the end more? Later on?
AL HODGSON: Yeah. But Rene, he, like I said, as far as I was concerned, he was flying about that high off of the ground [gestures up high] anyway. His favorite saying was that I remember was “People are seeing bloody holes in the ground!”
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| Al signed the cast, and one may see his note with details as to its history. It was cast by Jess Paschall. |
AL HODGSON: Yeah, everything was bloody to him. He was a Swiss. He was something else.
BIGFOOT BOOKS: He had that great thing he said, “People ask for physical evidence of Bigfoot. What if I take one of these plaster casts of the footprint tracks and hit you over the head with it. Would that be physical enough for you???”
AL HODGSON: [Laughs all around.] Oh yeah.
http://bigfootbooksblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/interview-with-al-hodgson-pillar-of.html
Thanks to Larry Lund, Bill Miller, and a couple of others I'll keep anonymous for help on backgrounding this article.
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ANGRY BIGFOOT SPEAKS!
Channeled by Denali
Me so angry today! This dumb-butt lizard go and think angry bigfoot tongue worm, then bite me tongue! Me scream, then lizard go fly-fly. When I try go sleepy again, lizard come back and crawl up angry bigfoot nose! me HATE him!!
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This blog is copyright and all that jazz, save for occasional small elements borrowed for "research" and information or satirical purposes only, 2003-2012, Bigfoot Books and Steven Streufert. Borrowings for non-commercial purposes will be tolerated without the revenge of Angry Bigfoot, if notification, credit, citation and a kindly web-link are given, preferably after contacting us and saying, Hello, like a normal person would before taking a cup of salt. No serious rip-offs of our material for vulgar commercial gain will be tolerated without major BF stomping action coming down on you, hu-man.
Me so angry today! This dumb-butt lizard go and think angry bigfoot tongue worm, then bite me tongue! Me scream, then lizard go fly-fly. When I try go sleepy again, lizard come back and crawl up angry bigfoot nose! me HATE him!!
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This blog is copyright and all that jazz, save for occasional small elements borrowed for "research" and information or satirical purposes only, 2003-2012, Bigfoot Books and Steven Streufert. Borrowings for non-commercial purposes will be tolerated without the revenge of Angry Bigfoot, if notification, credit, citation and a kindly web-link are given, preferably after contacting us and saying, Hello, like a normal person would before taking a cup of salt. No serious rip-offs of our material for vulgar commercial gain will be tolerated without major BF stomping action coming down on you, hu-man.